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sellout
I'm working on a Pokemon game that uses your smartphone, Google Maps and QR codes. Using Google Maps, you search lat/long coordinates to find a QR sticker. Once you scan that sticker using your smartphone, a Pokemon appears. Then you can screenshot it to catch it and save it to your "Pokedex".

Like this:


That's basically it, but I'm trying to make it more about the journey and encouraging exploration. It's the same appeal as geocaching. I'm going to purposely place certain types of Pokemon in appropriate areas. Grass types could be found at parks. Water types could be found under bridges near a stream or river. I've actually got pretty good plans for the legendary bird Pokemon. Moltres, specifically, will be located at the top of a local fire watch tower that is open to the public:




Essentially, the harder the journey, the rarer the Pokemon. For that tower, you have to walk half a mile down a boardwalk that goes out into the swamp, and then climb multiple flights of stairs to get to the top of it.

I'm still working out details. Coordinates alone are not enough to find a sticker. I tested it out with my smart phone and there's about a 15 ft variance between my actual location and where the coordinates take you. Hints to find each sticker will be necessary, which means I also need some sort of interface for the player. Something like this:

QUOTE
Seed Pokemon - Found on backside of bench between BLD 323 and 322 - Coordinates
Worm Pokemon- Found on western railing of boardwalk between rotten stump and tree - Coordinates

Anyways, it goes without saying that this will be a game that is kind of locked to my local area for now. I'm working on releasing Series 1, which will consist of 11 Pokemon. It'll serve as a demo and will let me know if there's enough interest to keep on releasing more. Tomorrow I'm printing out my stickers and scouting out areas for placement. Luckily, there haven't been any costs for the QR codes yet, but the yearly rate is $170 for the plan I would need after the free trial. Sticker costs would be minimal I'm guessing. You can do that shit at Wal-Mart, I think.
sonofaresiii
Let me know if you want to expand to nyc, I'll stick some around for you.

I'm not climbing a swamp tower though.
davey1212k
you can put rattatas all over the subway stations
rcon
We're taking this to Shark Tank
Spelster
I assume this is going to be an app? I've actually done a lot of work with QR readers on phones, if you need any assistance.
davey1212k
how easy is app programming? I mean the cool stuff you do that utilizes gps and other cool data inputs that modern devices can receive

is it easier than regular computer software? I assume it has to be a little smaller than other software b/c it's on device. truth?
(sorry to sidetrack)

ALSO

this is a very good idea! any type of game or set of rules/structure to the idea of geo-caching is pretty cool. Now I haven't even research into the interwebs about this idea (b/c I don't have smart phone...gasp!), but is this type of thing up and coming? are there subreddits for this type of stuff?


Spelster
If you already have software experience, mobile development isn't very difficult at all. If you don't you'll be very frustrated and confused.
sellout
QUOTE (Spelster @ Feb 2 2015, 08:46 PM) *
If you already have software experience, mobile development isn't very difficult at all. If you don't you'll be very frustrated and confused.


Yeah, I have no experience doing this. At best, I'd have a mobile portal site with hints and links to coordinates. If this stirs interest, I really would like some help streamlining the experience.
Klonny
I wanna catch some pokemon in the everglades, surely nothing could go wrong
sonofaresiii
QUOTE (davey1212k @ Feb 2 2015, 08:19 PM) *
is this type of thing up and coming? are there subreddits for this type of stuff?


geocaching definitely is, but mini rpg-type games involving geocaching? Not so sure. I'm sure it's been done before, but I don't know if it's a significantly growing movement right now.
sellout
A few hiccups have come up. As it turns out, labels from Wal-Mart are not water proof in the slightest. They're just paper with adhesive on the back so I'm thinking about upgrading to vinyl stickers, but that means going to a local printing shop. That'll give me more time to fine tune some things.
HighonFez
This is actually pretty darn cool. I can give ideas for places and sticker locally if you ever need.

edit: The turnaround for vinyl stickers is actually pretty fast. Check some (semi-local) websites because they are efficient as hell at that stuff.
davey1212k
QUOTE (Klonny @ Feb 3 2015, 07:15 AM) *
I wanna catch some pokemon in the everglades, surely nothing could go wrong



this ain't the safari zone, don't feed or throw rocks at the gators
sellout
Ordered vinyl stickers today from a local shop and it was cheaper than expected, about $25 total. They should be long lasting and waterproof. The guy on the phone said they're the same thing used for decals on boats so I'm probably fine. I think he was just being nice by taking a small order like that. I'm sure they mostly do giant bulk orders.

Tomorrow I have to help my dad with his computer but after that I'll start scouting out locations for SERIES ONE. I'm going for the approach of asking for forgiveness, rather than permission. I feel like if I call up parks and rec, they'd give me a resounding hell no to putting up voodoo "marketing" stickers. On top of that, I've created a bad-ass portal page through Tumblr that is pretty fucking elegant but I'm not ready to show it yet. Once I get coordinates added to it and it's ready for my friends to play here, I'll show it.

edit: totally watched the Cones of Dunshire episode of Parks and Rec for the first time today and realized I'm totally doing that. One month off = bursting with creativity.

sonofaresiii
as far as the guy being "nice" to take a small order goes, don't be so sure. They're probably still turning a profit on it and have tons of those small orders that help bring in the dough, but more importantly, they probably realize that by doing a good job for small stuff, they'll eventually groom customers who have larger orders.
Klonny
QUOTE (sonofaresiii @ Feb 4 2015, 07:14 PM) *
as far as the guy being "nice" to take a small order goes, don't be so sure. They're probably still turning a profit on it and have tons of those small orders that help bring in the dough, but more importantly, they probably realize that by doing a good job for small stuff, they'll eventually groom customers who have larger orders.


Basically this. In a normal environment, then the smaller a company is, the more friendly you'll see employees to draw your business back. Its pretty obvious stuff, but during the early friendlier communal stages businesses tend to be a lot better handling orders. Befriending a young business is hardly a bad idea.
On & On & On
Beep Boop. 3 years, 2 months, 1 week, 4 days.
SkankinLibrarian
Pokemon go.
Klonny
Imagine if he got this programmed before Pokemon go
Logan
Yeah, wow. This is incredibly relevant. To be, somewhat, fair, Niantic was making location based games (Ingress) before Pokemon Go that were also incredible.
dumbducky
Real killer app is right here.

ohnoes
Could he claim intellectual property theft using this thread as evidence?
sonofaresiii
You mean regarding the intellectual property he didn't have permission to use?
ohnoes
That seems irrelevant to the question I was asking.
sonofaresiii
I'm just making sure you're asking whether or not he can claim intellectual theft on the intellectual property he used that was owned by someone else, or some other aspect. So it's relevant, because if you are talking about a claim against intellectual property that he never had permission to use, then no he would have no claim. If you're talking about, like, the concept of digital geocaching or something, then I'm still willing to bet no he would have no claim, but it would be more of a discussion I guess.
ohnoes
What I'm getting at is: most script writers don't own the production rights to any films, but would be perfectly able to sue if they could prove a movie stole their script. This seems similar to me. I know software copyright law is kind of fucked, was wondering if it was fucked in sellouts favour is all. Would this be something that would need to be patented or would it need to be copyrighted? I donno, I know skankin tripped and fell into a bar exam once and I'm curious.

And I'd be talking about specifically applying the concept of combining geocaching/real world search and locate using your phone and the pokemon RPG concept.
sonofaresiii
The scriptwriter only owns the rights to their script if... they owned it. If someone were to write a Spider-Man script say as a fan film, they wouldn't own that in any way shape or form because they never had permission to use Spider-Man. Now they might get away with producing their fan film and putting it on youtube if Sony/Marvel didn't care enough to shut it down, but they'd have 0 chance of suing Sony/Marvel for making another Spider-Man film, even if Sony/Marvel stumbled their way into making something similar to the fan film.

That's not to say there might not be other copyrightable elements, but like I said, the only other thing there is the concept of geocaching on your phone, and you can't copyright a concept (it would be patent), and sellout probably wouldn't be able to claim any rights to digital geocaching anyway as I'm sure that's already been done. Simply combining geocaching with a property isn't enough for any kind of intellectual property protection, and if it was it wouldn't apply to sellout anyway since he doesn't own the property.

If he had been the first person to combine geocaching with ARG on your phone with collectible monsters? I dunno man, maybe there's something patentable there but probably not, he's probably not even the first person to do it.

There's not really any... like... story elements or anything with the game, so nothing to copyright there, and even if there was I think (but I'm not sure) that his claim to a copyright would be void since it was a derivative work of property he didn't have permission to use.

When sellout started this, it was a cool idea for a fan game that probably would have flown under the radar of nintendo unless it got too big. Now, it would almost certainly be immediately shut down if he tries to do it. Bummer, I know... but if he just changes it to non-owned properties, he could probably still go ahead with it.
Boner City
What if, instead of Pokemon, you catch members of Streetlight?
dumbducky
Perhaps you play as an FBI detective and constantly catch Danceparty all over the world?
sellout
Pokemon Go did it better. The only big hangup I have is that I feel like there should be more exclusivity to how you find certain Pokemon. As of now, it's fairly easy to catch a variety of different types without traveling less than 10 minutes from your house. Sure, here in the desert I can catch rock, ground, and fire types, but I think there should be a tier of certain Pokemon that are proportionally harder to catch in common backyard type areas. For example, I might be able to catch a Charmander or a Geodude outside of my dorm here in the desert, but if I wanted to catch a Ninetales or an Aerodactyl, I should have to visit somewhere less accessible, such as somewhere off base (still in a public place, obviously, but maybe like a park, nature trail, or some place actually designated as a "desert").

I know that would require a lot of work on the part of the developer to figure out how to procedurally generate geographic locations that are public, safe, and accessible, but I don't think it's impossible. I think there should be weekly events with certain Pokemon in certain "Safari Zones" to give people a reason to explore. I don't think most people play Pokemon Go to immerse themselves in nature, which I get isn't always even an easy thing to do. It was just the direction I was headed with it.
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